Ah, inept reflections. At least it's only people who don't think they're any good at Photoshop who screw up, right? It isn't as if a lame reflection would appear on a big screen for Photoshop TV at Photoshop World, right? Right?
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Friday, May 2, 2008
Photoshop World: Photoshop User TV Useless At Photoshop
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Classic.
In space - no one can get reflections right.
I like the show, but they do show how to insert reflections pretty regularly...
good blog, PS runs best on Vista
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Thank You+robert
besides, it is a quite easyly fakeable reflection...
(i have a photoshop disaster to send you, but the link you got there keeps sending me to a 404 error page)
The reflection is correct if you assume that the laptop is raised at the back/not sitting flat.
The only problem I have is what exactly is the laptop being reflected on?
The reflections don't look so bad, but the people in the photo look a little disproportionate to me...I think that actually bothered me more :/
Clearly you have no experience Photoshopping near Sirius.
Can we abandon the mirror photoshop fails and get to the bad airbrushing / clone stuff again? Lets just assume no one knows how to mirror perspective properly.
PLOX.
It's not like there's a picture with notebooks reflecting on a table in the same image, right?
I'm with Davin. They're bad, but they're not amusing or distinct enough to keep posting. More bad airbrushing and paste jobs, please!
It's so full of irony that I just had to comment....
WTF with Photoshop World? how can anyone watch the show if the poster they made is photoshopped wrong ?!!
adrian perron is right about the actual reflection itself: it's correct if you assume the laptop isn't sitting flat on the reflective surface. that doesn't explain, however, why the screen image doesn't show up in the reflection. or why the reflected laptop is BEHIND the reflected stars.
ack! i enjoy this site. for those who constantly complain about the submissions - have you submitted anything? i mean, the material has to come from somewhere, right? so, if the disasters aren't sufficiently disastrous for all you naysayers - why not scour the web/mags/papers/catalogs, whatever, and provide us with images that meet your requirements and kwitcherbitchin.
I'm sure whoever did this is stunning at photoshop. It's the real world that gives them trouble!
Perhaps they're being ironically crap.
What about the perspective? The laptop in the image looks really distorted. Especially on the right side.
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No. To those people who say the reflection is right as long as you assume the back is raised: wrong. No. That's wrong. The frickin keys are visible. You know how hard it would be to get the TOP of something to be reflected? Are you able to see a mans bald spot in a puddle when it rains? Talk about failure to understand life, fellas.
To the first anonymous: surely it doesn't matter if the comments come from people who have not submitted anything themselves? What it proves is there is not an abundance of decent 'disasters' out there. How does the phrase go: 'If you don't have anything important to say, say nothing.' Perhaps this principle should be applied to this blog. I've said it before, I'd rather see one really shoddy example each month than a dozen squint-and-you-might-notice-it quasi-failures a week.
You may also wish to consider that there's little evidence of their own (obviously flawless) Photoshop work coming from the posters either.
There is one other detail, of course: some people have more important things to do with their lives than scouring the media.
Kwitcherpreachin.
Oh my god, it's Awesome !!!!!!!!!
Chromatically Challenged said...
There is one other detail, of course: some people have more important things to do with their lives than scouring the media.
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...like continuously reading and commenting on blogs they don't like?
Morbo: I didn't say I don't like the blog, I do; when the images aren't dire.
"No. To those people who say the reflection is right as long as you assume the back is raised: wrong. No. That's wrong. The frickin keys are visible. You know how hard it would be to get the TOP of something to be reflected?"
Wrong. If you lay a laptop flat on a mirror, obviously you wouldn't see the keys. But if you raise the back you will see the keys in the reflection. Get a mirror and try it yourself if you don't believe me.
i need to perfect reflections
its easier wt corel bt how do i do it wt pshop
thanks
adrian perron- um, no. Still incorrect.
EXCELLENT BLOG!
I am so sick of those disasters!
Hey Adrian! You have a distorted eyesight my friend :))
The reflection is clearly wrong in all aspects. If you claim it is true, please take a picture of yourself holding a laptop over a mirror with *this* exact perspective, and show it to us.
Is it possible? Well, yeah. Kinda.
Is it done well? No. It might satisfy the laws of physics- though barely- but it's unnatural and awkward. Worse, it's obvious that Photoshop was the culprit with no reflective surface ever involved.
Is it a disaster? Hell, yeah. Those are the self-professed professionals (says so right on the label). They should be able to do better.
Right, so the back of the laptop is propped up at an incredible angle, so that even the very bottom of the screen is reflected on the surface below. That makes perfect sense.
I'm just glad someone is protesting against the proliferation of these reflections.
"Hey Adrian! You have a distorted eyesight my friend :))
The reflection is clearly wrong in all aspects. If you claim it is true, please take a picture of yourself holding a laptop over a mirror with *this* exact perspective, and show it to us."
How's this?: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ampink/2462812107/sizes/l/
I'm sorry I don't have a laptop so I had to improvise.
"How's this?: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ampink/2462812107/sizes/l/
I'm sorry I don't have a laptop so I had to improvise."
Wow! nice one dude!
I'm going to start a blog about people who decide to follow blogs and then leave comments bitching about the content.
Ouch! Nice catch.
To people trying to justify this, this reflection is NEVER correct.
Do yourselves a favor, buy a mirror, and set your laptop on it in ways you describe. Oh wow, that's that bottom of the laptop?
It would do people so much better to actually look at the way things act in real life instead of just guessing.
"To people trying to justify this, this reflection is NEVER correct.
Do yourselves a favor, buy a mirror, and set your laptop on it in ways you describe. Oh wow, that's that bottom of the laptop?
It would do people so much better to actually look at the way things act in real life instead of just guessing."
The reflection is correct!
I already posted a picture proving my point. You should take your own advice and look at how things work in real life.
Adrian, you got me.
Adrian is right.
Flip-type reflections are correct if you assume that the camera/eye is very close to the reflecting surface.
Dalas V said: "I'm going to start a blog about people who decide to follow blogs and then leave comments bitching about the content."
You do that; no, go on. I'd really like to see it happen. How do you think it would look?
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I'd read it, anyway.
I am simply amazed .. not just by “reflection” set by lecturing pro-photoshop users, no one is perfect & sometimes overworked, but I AM AMAZED BY SOME COMMENTS ... THOSE TRULY ROCKS !!!!
Dalas V
The blog you're thinking of exists:
Get off the internet!
http://www.getofftheinternet.org/
In reality our perception of life is just is just a reflection of our internal projection. Therefore the PS TV creators perception of reflection is an example of there evolution, and the rest of us are just assigning meaning where there isn't any.
Wow, that scrabble box really appears to be reflected the way the laptop is. I didn't think it was possible. Of course, I guess it really isn't possible if you were sitting out in the audience at this Photoshop show. Shouldn't these reflections be more closely related to the real world?
This image looks correct to me. Normally Apple shows laptops from a tilted back angle. And it appears to be reflecting off normal transparent glass vs opaque black glass that is usually the norm. So I don't see any technical flaws with this image. I wouldn't have chosen a starry background or glass for a reflection material. But otherwise I don't see any issues. And the screen image would likely not reflect in a glass reflection from that angle, so even if they did miss something at the photoshop level, it still works in the realistic realm of reflections. Technically well done image, but no artistic view.
Here's another one misplaced reflection. It's from finnish computer magazine Mikrobitti, you just can't miss how wrong that Wacom Bamboo's reflection is!
Here's the link: http://xs227.xs.to/xs227/08200/mikrobitti_5-2008474.jpg
If you want to blame anybody, blame apple. This is clearly something that has been made using one of OS X's prettifiers, (see iPhoto's preview menus, Dock menu, iTunes etc). Either way, it IS pretty bad :p
even if the reflection is correct, how can ther be stars IN FRONT of the mirror image???????
Give them a break, that's clearly done in photoshop 1.0 or something. Look at Scott Kelby who appears to be sitting in the middle. He's actually thin instead of being a sack of lard like he is today!!!
Seriously, nobody in the early 90s had ever seen a realistic reflection. These guys were breaking new ground.
oh. the show is great.
So this is correct if the back of the object is away from the ground. What if you assumed the ground it was sitting on was at the same angle, how would you recreate that in photoshop? With the correct perspective
(not being near anything to recreate the situation in real life at the moment)
What's really frustrating is that the correct reflection in this instance would be so easy to achieve. It gets a lot more challenging if you're trying to reflect a more complex object, especially if it's rotated relative to the camera, but a lappie is really just two rectangular blocks, very simple to fake a reflection.
Adrian Perron
your photo show perfectly that the reflection is wrong
See in your image the reflection of the top of the box is greatly forshortened (half the hight of the direct line of sight to the top of the box.
In the image of the laptop the reflection is EXACTLY the same as the direct line of sight to the top of the laptop.
your image of the box demonstrates perfectly what is wrong with this image. thank you.
Ok for all you homers who can't seem to see what is wrong with this picture of the laptop, Adrian Perron, among chief amongst you, let me set it all straight for ya!
Issue #1
First of all Adrian Perron is right in his statement that you should be able to see the top of the keyboard, BUT he is wrong in say that the laptop image is like his image of the scrabble box.
Let me illustrate buy using his own demonstration image from flickr and comparing it to the laptop image
if you look at this image I created;
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4448/wrongreflectioncj2.jpg
you will see that the reflected "top of the box is "foreshortened", when placed next to a duplicate image you see that the reflection is only about half the height of the the actual top, when looking directly at the top.
You will also see that when I place two copies of the laptop image side by side as well that the reflection in that image is not like the box top image at all. the reflection is exactly the same size. Because it is just an inverted copy with no adjustments made for perspective.
Issue # 2 (the reflected star field)
Well it's not really a reflected star field at all! it's just a star field, there is no reflection at all the stars below the plane of the surface the laptops is supposedly sitting on are not inverted copies of those above that plane at all they are just a continuation of that field all the way down the image.
Issue #3
The above star field is behind the laptop and should not "reflect" , if indeed it was a reflection (see Issue #2), in front of the laptop reflection.
Issue #4
As clearly as the laptop is reflecting, why is the screen not reflection the same image in the reflection?
Now I took this image and did it right. Mind you I was starting off at a disadvantage because I did not have all the clean original images they had to start with. I was starting with the disaster they had created and working with that.
But for all you who just don't get it, here is how it's is supposed to look if done correctly.
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5585/rightreflectionfq1.jpg
Thank you for you time, I hope this settles it.
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