Just goes to show; home-schooled kids can end up doing graphics work after all.
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Tuesday, June 9, 2009
La Senza: It's A Crime To Print It
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I like how the business guy looks disturbed, and the old man looks shocked and terrified.
Actually, it's a deep hole filled with a clear substance and a reflective surface angled at the bottom so that it reflects back up at her in this way.
Beyond bad! Looks like the young guy is looking at the camera, too!
Umm. wow.
One question. What does this have to do with homeschooling?
its waste of money to pay someone to do this
Woah, that is SO bad.
yikes..
Cassie,
Homeschooling is, by definition, the avoidance of people and methods granted professional accreditation.
Perhaps that's the analogy Cosmo is reaching for here.
I was homeschooled through fourth grade, and now I've got the highest grades in my college classes. Coincidence? I think not.
Homeschooling is a great tool for instilling a yearning for learning in young kids; the public school system seems to go out of its way to teach kids that learning isn't fun.
In WA, a parent needs to have a college degree to homeschool. This is a nice compromise, as it means that it's only an option to kids who can actually benefit from it.
Of course, homeschooled kids shouldn't be denied a social life. Having them take a class or two at school, or joining a homeschool group, is a good idea if possible.
Long story short, the original post is stupid. :(
I was homeschooled as well. Please stick to insulting those who fail at Photoshop, Cosmo7.
I don't see the homeschooling angle either. Homeschoolers don't avoid all accreditation anyway--they just take primary responsibility for an education and outsource as necessary.
Great picture though. Zowie!
The artist would probably argue that people who see the ad will understand it and it shows off the product. Hey, Surreal marketing is in!
Perhaps it is also imperative that homeschooled children be given a text book that deals with humor.
Ummm...let's see public schools usually have about 10-15% illiteracy rates at graduation. That's after 12 years of 'trying'...I don't think you can say that for home schooled kids.
geoff: there wasn't any humor to be had. He just implied that people who were homeschooled are poor at what they do.
My mom taught me to read when I was five so I can't argue that the idea of home-schooling is completely baseless. Anyway, history overflows with great minds that were home-schooled. Just the same, you're going to get some people who are too imbalanced for the responsibility. With the internet, the nature of education is being experimented with a lot right now.
I'm going to be devil's advocate and say this is not a disaster. The ad is humorous, posed, and constructed, and I'd say the incorrect angle is intentional and part of that humor. It wouldn't be as funny if you saw a real, distorted reflection that didn't show her face.
Hilariously bad! Though why the homeschool comment? I was homeschooled till college, and got excellent grades in my photoshop classes (graduated magna cum laude). :D Believe me, any photoshop disasters I commit are because I do work for Microsoft, NBC, and BMW; not because I willing create something horrible, but because corporations make the most shocking demands!
As for homeschoolers needing a textbook on humor? Sure, taking a poke is fine... but a lot of very well educated people have suffered discrimination at the hands of those too dull to understand the finer points of non-public education. It gets old after the 529th "joke."
"Perhaps it is also imperative that homeschooled children be given a text book that deals with humor."
I'm wasn't homeschooled and don't think it's funny...maybe it's the public schooled people that need a book eh?
I agree with iaian7.
You guessed it, I was homeschooled too. And I just got my BA in Design. So there, ha!
ok, all joking aside, home-schooled people are a diverse bunch and the jokes just wear thin after a while.
I've been using PS since I was a kid tinkering with version 3.5 -- and my point is that the very reason for this is that my parents included computers in the learning. No other kid going to school back then - or even now - has such unlimited access to computers and software as I did.
When I applied to college with a portfolio, they wanted to skip me ahead to second year.
I'm sure there are examples where homeschooling is an excuse to indoctrinate children in some weird religion, or otherwise stunt their mental development.. but that does not deserve to be called homeschooling.. and even then, they'd be able to create a proper reflection :P
my younger sister was home-schooled (and happens to be excellent at PS as well), but when i think of home-schooled people as a group, i can only remember the spelling bee winner from about 10-15 years ago who was a home-schooled girl who belched between each letter as she spelled her words.
I wasn't homeschooled, which is precisely why any kids I may have definitely WILL be. Public schools are a morass of memorization disguised as learning, suppression of logical thinking or of questioning authority, and "authority figures" who take insane advantage of their position.
That's not to say that everyone who homeschools does it to make sure their kids get *better* educations (sure, some of them are afraid of science), but public schools are no place for a kid.
i woz homeskoold too annd i thiink i amm reall cleva.
stopp pockking funn at us. We r peeple too!
The disaster was funny, but all the comments complaining about the homeschooling humor are even funnier!
@ Throb: Muharharhar! Oh, I laughed... shit!
Come on boys and girls (or girls and boys): be nice to each other!
Huh. I didn't know they had La Senza in the UK. I thought it was Canadian. Figures, I guess.
oh, now we're going after Canadians! ;0)
@ Chris Freeman:;
Why wouldn't it be funny if the reflection was correct?
They could still have included her face and done a good job.
We seem to have quite few people here that blame shockingly bad PS work on 'intentional humour' and I feel that that is giving these so-called designers far too much credit. This image only works if the reflection is correct; otherwise it's just distracting.
My college friend Ray was home schooled for religious reasons.... He's 22 and STILL has never seen boobs... Sure, he had EXCELLENT grades, but his social skills are shit, and he seems to have trouble reading facial expressions and most humor and sarcasm (that isn't directly related to Veggie Tales) goes right over his head.
Yeah, this PSD and its comment fit his home-schooledness very well indeed.
Wow, people need to get the stick out of their asses. Seriously, learn to take a joke.
The problem with home-schooling is there are generally two stereotypes associated with it:
1. Freaky smart
2. Freaky religious
There isn't a whole lot of overlap between the two. Freaky religious is associated with anti-science, freaky smart is obviously not. I think geography determines which you associate with it. Both are generally seen as sheltered.
Dear mr T.
hm, I take it you went to a regular school and you're just jealous because your parents weren't smart enough to teach you.
see, not fun being insulted, is it? But, it's funny for me, so you better take the joke or risk being called stuck up, hehe.
anyways, I initially just commented to share my homeschooling experience, and to enjoy the fact that so many of them came out of the woodwork. When I said "I got my BA in design. So there, ha!" I wasn't being serious... jeez.
Jervas: I think you hit the nail on the head. Though, I'm really neither of those. Maybe Europe is different?
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but, to be back on topic, the image is hilarious.. and I agree that interpreting it as an intentional mistake is giving too much credit. The first time I looked at it, it looked so starkly wrong; but the longer I stare at it, the more I forget what it's even supposed to look like. The designer had probably been staring at it for hours and didn't realise how very wrong it looks.
perhaps that's her soul, hovering above? or is it her sister, lingerie girl, making fun of mere mortals?
The main difference is that Homeschooling is actually about education, while government schools are about indoctrination and normalization. They exist to turn out well behaved, compliant subjects.
I was not home schooled ... I was 22 and STILL had never seen boobs... Sure, I had EXCELLENT grades, but my social skills were shit, and I seemed to have trouble reading facial expressions and most humor and sarcasm went right over my head.
Met a girl in Feb and married her in July. Our 35th anniversary is coming up. Started at 10k/yr and now make over fifteen times that. Put four kids through college and now dote on the grandkids.
So WTF was your point?
David Said:
"Homeschooling is, by definition, the avoidance of people and methods granted professional accreditation."
You fail to realize that there are accredited home school programs.
"Incorrect angle is intentional & part of the humor"?
Call me humorless, but I don't 'get' the joke. Seems more likely that the photo retoucher doesn't understand the concept of foreshortening.
"So WTF was your point?"
HAHAHAHAHA....nice....and congrats!
Anyway, so I heard about this guy Ray who has a college friend who: has seen boobs; doesn't have excellent grades; thinks cussing proves a logical premise; and believes that if everyone doesn't think something is as funny as he does, they are obviously sub-normal.....poor Ray...but, Ray gets along with him anyway.
Well, I think we can see (and remember, I'm a public school brat) in only 125 years of public schooling, public school indoctrinators have managed to make 90% of people believe that public schooling was the one thing that Adam and Eve got to take out of the Garden of Eden besides the animal skins. Why is public schooling thought of as the best/only way to educate? It started in the mid 1800's. And remember, the only way to make sure "no child gets left behind" is to make the tests so easy no child could fail them...except the ones that can't read it to begin with.
Most of these posts are about Cosmo's homeschooling comment and not the truly awful PSD. No reflection of any kind ever looked like that or ever will unless we end up in a parallel universe.
HOWEVER, I'd love for Cosmo to explain the comment since I don't get it. Is he referring to the flasher aspect of the ad, in which he might be correct since some do homeschool to protect kids from the baser stuff of life? In that case, the comment was really reaching as it could have been directed at other portions of the population, say, the Amish.
OR, is he saying that homeschooled people can't operate PS well? In this case the comment would be completely off base since homeschooled kids routinely out-perform their schooled counterparts in testing and have much more time on their hands to perfect their PS skills, as they are sitting at their home computer quite a bit more than the 6-hours-of-school-a-day folks.
Cosmo, defend yourself.
I was homeschooled from eigth through tenth grade...I turned out fine. My parents had taught me to read before I entered kindergarten (Probably why I ended up homeschooled later on) and the kids always made fun of me and beat me up for being smart. I remember asking my mum in about 5th grade why the other kids in school couldn't read well...they tripped over words and took ten minutes to read aloud a paragraph that I could go through with no mistakes in about two minutes or less. My mum simply told me that it was because they didn't have the early start that I'd gotten. When I went to nursing classes for the first time in eleventh grade, at the local vocational centre for high school students, I found that the kids who couldn't read in fifth grade STILL couldn't read in 11th and 12th! I maintained a four-point GPA and graduated with honours, and had great social skills once I got myself started. And I knew more about sex and anatomy than people who actually had hands-on experience, as noted by the fact that most of my friends came to me when they thought they were pregnant or had an STD. it got to the point where my response to every question was "If you have to ask, no, it isn't normal, and yes, you should see a doctor."
So homeschooled kids are not freaky religious and are not sheltered, unless they have crap parents.
Okay, so home-schooled kids rock socks. Perhaps he should have made a short-bus joke instead!
Regardless, terrible PS work here! Awesome.
No, The Sophisticate's Diary, you couldn't do it right and include her face because if you "did it right" you would be seeing the two guys on the bench and not her at all!
Avoiding the homeschool comment, which has been argued enough...the picture must be deliberate. There's no room for a proper reflection. Clearly the "reflected" image is meant to show the product.
Is this bad photoshop or just a bad graphic idea? It's awfully old-fashioned and contrived, IMHO.
Is there anything wrong with the reflection? She looks mighty fine to me!
Maybe it's one of those optical illusion things, like the hot babe in front of a car. Apparently there's a car in the picture somewhere.
I've just read through most of the comments, I don't normally bother but on this occasion I noticed some negative stuff. So I'll add my two penny's worth: Get a life you humourless cretins!
Who?
Dino: From the point of view the pond should reflect the two sitting men...
The homeschool comment was in poor taste.
It's a really lousy stereotype. You wouldn't print any other group of people in there assuming they all fit in a condescending lump.
"Just goes to show; ________ kids can end up doing graphics work after all."
Stick in another group and see how it sounds:
Just goes to show; black kids can end up doing graphics work after all.
Just goes to show; southern kids can end up doing graphics work after all.
Just goes to show; Canadian kids can end up doing graphics work after all.
Just goes to show; Jewish kids can end up doing graphics work after all.
How is any one of those not totally ignorant and wrong? It's not funny. If you isolate and insult a group because of the education, skin color, place of birth, nationality or religion - doesn't matter - just makes you look like a jerk.
You owe the homeschool community an apology.
Darcy
-who believes bad photoshopping happens regardless of race, creed, color, nationality or place of education.
It feels like I'm playing a Portal. :-P
Darcy - You said it *beautifully*. Thank you.
Well, I'll just be another person to say I was homeschooled too. I left public school to get homeschooled from 10th through 12th grade. I went to an accredited online school which used most of the same materials as the IB program I left anyway. I ended up graduating a year earlier than I would have if I remained in public school, and now I'm an art major.
And yes, the stereotypes do get really obnoxious after awhile. I left public school because I was tired of being surrounded by immature dicks who were horrible to me. I couldn't stand how I was being treated every single day and it honestly felt like torture. Now that I'm in art school I'm surrounded by pleasant, intelligent people and I didn't have to go through 3 more years of insane douchebaggery to get there.
Zaphod- you are, of course, correct.
In which case the whole concpet for the image should have been abandoned.
sarcasm
In the UK home-schooling consists of kids being taught by their parents how to sit around, watch shit on telly, get pregnant, fiddle the dole, skin up and drink cider.
Probably the same Stateside but with a freaky religious slant to make you feel guilty about the whole thing.
/sarcasm
(I felt the need for tags because it seems that the old humour filter is missing for a lot of you.)
your girlfriend always do that
The real screw up is that the guy making this couldn't decide if he wanted it to be summer or winter. Everything in the picture is green and in bloom... in the reflection there are no leafs on the trees at all!
That's what I call a disaster
Dammit, I'm a white, male, married, hetero graduate. When the hell is someone going to post a comment here so that I can victimize myself by comparing myself inappropriately to the persecution of the Jews, blacks, homosexuals and disenfranchized women and demand apologies for insulting tastelessness and for the wound to my fragile feelings?
Here in the UK homeschooling is hardly an issue, and Andy's description of it above is perfect. I don't know much about US homeschooling but if it's the last resort from using the public system then it doesn't say much for America's investment in schools.
I don't know if it's a lesson in humour that's needed but a useful skill that kids pick up in the state school system is the ability to casually say "Yeah, whatever" when someone throws a lazy insult at them. Might be worth a try.
Good PSD, btw.
FanTAStic pick-up, mememe81!
I think PSD needs a PR person.
Most of the time, I see people bitching about what the OP says instead of the picture.
I took the homeschooling comment to mean that homeschoolers aren't seeing a lot of women without clothes, and therefore it was funny.
@David: Like, "Yeah, whatever, this blog sucks"?
Everytime you joke about a minority, you are using the same principles that created those other minorities you mention.
And in the state school system you mention, there's a think called bullying, I don't know if you're familiar with it. But it's usually not solved with a "Yeah, whatever". Wiki it.
Instead of making lazy insults, the author should have made an effort in understanding that some of the many readers of his blog might not be ok with insults, even if they are lazy.
Clearly, the older man has a miniature camera hidden beneath his lunchbox on his lap, and the images he captures are fed directly to a flat screen embedded in the ground.
Its a crime to make a photoshop work like that!
I also want to get paid when I do shit like that.
Don't know about a lesson in humor but it seems that all the home schooled kids need a lesson in extracting chips from shoulders.
ownerofpie actually gets the joke in the original post.
The rest of you? For shame.
Why is everyone still bitching about the comment? The point was the picture. Besides, anyone who spends that much time complaining about public school doesn't know very much about it. I went to public school, loved it, had plenty of hands on and real life experience, and now teach in a public school. I enjoy it, and my students enjoy being in my classroom. If we can't insult homeschool kids, stop insulting public school. It's not all the same. So everyone should STFU.
"Besides, anyone who spends that much time complaining about public school doesn't know very much about it."
I've got 12 years and 4 generations of experience; shall we compare notes?
The creative departmemnt obviously didn't learn basic physics at school. What happened to 'the angle of insidence equals the angle of reflection'
I think the lesson to be learned is, never make fun of homeschooling on the internet. O.O
The stereotype of homeschooling I always lived with was the "Freaky religious" sort, where people homeschool so they can teach creationism and religious dogma instead of actual useful information.
ah, but the flowers in bloom look like daffodils, and they bloom quite early. I guess it's meant to be spring?
what would be a better way to make the ad work? If instead of a park, there was some sort of reflective shop window, maybe? Or does it need a reflection at all?.. though, that would make me think she wasn't wearing any nice lingerie.
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Miss Emily said... "Besides, anyone who spends that much time complaining about public school doesn't know very much about it. I went to public school, loved it, had plenty of hands on and real life experience..." [...] "So everyone should STFU."
it simply isn't nice to be judged on one's education, and I think jokes based on that are in bad taste. Yes, Dublin gunner, I get why it is supposed to be funny. My problem is that this stereotype is based on ignorance.
Emily, why should everyone STFU? I see no reason for this debate to be anything but friendly.
Ok, I see how you'd feel that we're all bitching on public school, but that's because I felt the need to highlight the pro's of home schooling. You should understand, as it is the same desire that made you point out the pro's of public schooling.
It all just depends on the quality of the teachers and resources available.
I went to public school, and there's no way in hell I'm subjecting my kids to that. There's a large homeschooling community in my town, so don't worry about their socialization.
The snarky comment about homeschooling really pisses me off, to be honest. You can't simply show us a badly edited photo without taking a shot at people who don't want their children in dangerous, sub-standard public schools?
Lab Techs Gone Wild, take one! *clap*
...and then the music starts: bow-chicka-wow-wowwww....waka-chika-waka-chika!
This isn't bad. It's an ad. Not everything needs to be photo-real, esp in marketing. Humor will make the reader remember more than if you only saw the small part of distorted reflection you would see in real life. It wasn't until around the guy who created Kodak came along that even photographers went for a photo-real look.
We currently home educate two of our three kids while one is now in public high school after being home for the past six years. Personally, we all love a good home-skoolin joke and dish them out all the time with our friends. This particular jab wasn't so much in bad taste. It just missed the mark. However, the actual ad was another great example of a Photoshop Disaster and that's why I keep coming back every day.
A "good" example of a home school joke is that we often tell our friends that we're teaching our girls to say, "Do you want fries with that?" in several different languages.
Now go take on your day.
Just to be on topic here... anyone else notice that the trees on the reflection are all without leaves ( meaning fall perhaps?) and the trees on the park behind the 2 gentlemen are fully green. Maybe evergreen trees but then you have to argue about the yellow flowers implying it's spring time.
Just my 2 cents :)
Don't think anyone's pointed out that they're actually advertising for a Digital Graphic Designer. Think you can do better, and take the flak from the PSD crowd?
http://www.lasenza.co.uk/customerservices/CustomerServices.aspx?d=customerservices&cs=jobs
Hah! I like raedarius' interpretation of the picture.
Thank you, Monsieur Doofus! I have an English degree and I hear plenty of the the "want fries with that" jokes, too. It's ok! I laugh! C'mon people, don't be a Speshul Snowflake who gets all butthurt over every little trivial thing. It makes you look far more foolish than the OP!
So, what, 60% the people that read this blog were homeschooled? How is that possible?
Seriously, there are some self-esteem issues among the homeschooled community. And don't try to compare homeschooling to being black, homosexual, or other types of minorities.
There is a stereotype that homeschooling has a lower level of education than public or private school. There's also a stereotype that nerds never get laid. Won't someone stand up for the nerds?
Well, the op didn't say something like "Just goes to show; nerds can end up laid after all"
@ Darcy
Oh, sorry, we didn't realize you were ethnically homeschooled.
@Duff: so what if it did? Would there be 50 posts from people claiming they were nerds, detailing how often they get frisky and demanding an apology?
@giulio: i was skipping all the homeschooling blabber, searching for the guy who always goes "my girlfriend can do that". LOL! that was nice!
Ah well. I'm really, really offended when privileged wealthy white westerners equate their "suffering" - having their parents' choice of education for them humorously dissed - with the Jews. Perhaps it's because members of my wife's, and therefore our children's, family were exterminated in the Shoah, or perhaps it's not. But I'll live with it and try not to make a fuss. I'll put it down to ignorance and the fact that some people have a sense of proportion and others don't. The world isn't perfect and learning to take your knocks either isn't taught in any schools, or it's taught in all of them. Depends if you pay attention.
I'm now strangely curious about whether the model was public schooled or home schooled in ways I couldn't have imagined 24 hours ago. Life is full of surprises.
I was homeschooled through 12th grade. I had a real graduation with 300 other kids, i had a social life, and went to university. I now have a BA in graphic design. I'm pretty sure being homeschooled didn't limit me whatsoever.
@David: I never compared people being rude to homeschoolers with the suffering of other groups of people.
I don't think people are trying to be dramatic - they're just offended by pointless, humorless jabs like the one in the original post.
Hey, look, the image isn't all that so-horrible-it's-funny, but one way to ward off viewers is by insulting something you obviously don't know much about. Please refrain from doing things like this.
I can understand how it would be funny to some, but keep in mind not everyone went/goes to public school, and people ARE going to be offended. Learn some manners, please. :C
I have nothing to do with homeschooling, but I find the responses here rather funny.
You have a bunch of people complaining that homeschoolers need to get over it and learn humor, and a bunch of other people defending the "joke" because homeschoolers really are imbecilic troglodytes who do nothing but watch TV and get pregnant.
I think the reason homeschoolers are so insulted isn't because of the text of the joke. I'd be surprised if most of them, like English majors, don't make jokes about themselves. The problem is that it was utterly gratuitous. It's not like the OP was making a joke about home schooling from a photo of something having to do with home schooling. He just used a bad image as a vehicle to insult home schoolers.
I do think the racial examples are probably a bit over wrought (though I'll note, I'm not sure what an ethnic Canadian looks like) but even if we substitute "It just goes to show that Football players really can go into graphic editing" it doesn't look like that funny of a joke, just an insult of football players.
never before so much hullabaloo! everyone and his brother were offended this time! choices choices ... do I comment on the disaster or the homeschooling bit? oh heck I'll do both. the disaster is a disaster, no doubt, as for homeschooling it seems to leave no space for joking, which is strange. A little bit of Dr. Freud if you will, cause it seems to seriously touch a *I gotta defend my position* nerve whith the lot of you. I'll tell you this, there's nothing wrong with homeschooling and you needen't feel an outsider being mobbed for it. You know what you know, but if homeschooling left you feeling this way, there's a minor disaster for you. I never liked schools myself and dropped out of 4 universities over 8 years and been teaching myself in a lot of fields since then and even before, but that's just me. chill and let go!
see ya!
I'm not attempting to defend myself at all.
I was just offended by the needless (seemingly unfunny) insult in the post, and thought I would let the author know.
It is of course up to everyone to decide whether or not they think I should have been offended or not.
Okay - 87 debates on homeschooling is 87 too many. Now to this picture: a few things stood out immediately to me...1) her butt is missing(I think they did this to make her legs look longer) 2) the shadows at her feet aren't right. There is no connecting shadow for her left foot; 3) the old man's focus is actually to the model's left -- not on her at all; 4) and someone said the model's reflection wouldn't look quite like that. Actually from the viewer's angle, you'd see the men's reflections - not the woman's. Pretty bad hodge-podge of an ad.
"Okay - 87 debates on homeschooling is 87 too many."
88...you forgot to count the original post ;o)))
I love the way that no matter how much ranting & raving goes on Cosmo never lowers him/herself to participate in it. Quality!
gy, I think you prove my point about humourless cretins.
OK, back to the Photoshop Disaster. Everyone (whether home or publicly schooled) seems to be missing the point about the reflection. There is no way that her reflection could be seen on the other side of her, as depicted. The reflection should show the two deadbeats on the park-bench. And, they would be upside down. The Art Director had confused the difference between a cast shadow and a reflection. At realising that point the Art Director would have his/her "D'oh!" moment and come up with a plausible concept that doesn;t insult the intelligence of the client's customers.
I plan on homeschooling my kids someday and I thought it was funny. I don't think he was being serious. I don't get the commenters on this site. When they aren't shouting that it isn't actually a PSD and that this site therefore sucks, they're failing to understand when the posters are simply being facetious.
Scott said...
@Duff: so what if it did? Would there be 50 posts from people claiming they were nerds, detailing how often they get frisky and demanding an apology?
You're damn right we would!
I would like to commend Cosmo on his ability to restrain himself from being drawn into all this petty whining about a facetious joke.
It seems some people posting comments here (whiners) need to learn that sometimes it is better to keep your mouth shut and let the world think you are a fool, rather then opening your mouth and proving it.
Thank you ZaphodQB for proving your point.
I was homeschooled from the very beginning, and I have a very competitive edge in photoshop and in graphics design for advertising. I've started an advertising company and am now the lead graphics desinger for a magazine. I've been in the company of many other graphics design experts who have also been homeschooled.
Don't you think you're being a bit biased?
Darcy
"If you isolate and insult a group because of the education, skin color, place of birth, nationality or religion - doesn't matter - just makes you look like a jerk."
If you make home-schooled kids the equivalent of racial minorities who have suffered real abuse--slavery, lynchings, pogroms, Holocaust--blacks and Jews, then you are an idiot.
How many home-schooled kids were herded into boxcars to be sent to extermination camps?
How many home-schooled kids were forcibly taken from their homelands and sold as chattels to live and die under the whip of the slavemaster?
You are pathetic.
donner_froh: I think the point was that assuming that someone else is inferior to you simply because they are different, is a jerky thing to do.
Are you implying that it's okay to make such negative assumptions about people, as long as it doesn't lead to concentration camps?
you're more then welcome
duff--
I am not implying anything.
I am responding to a person who arrogated to herself the reality of real oppression endured by members of races/ethnic groups which she identified as co-equal in suffering with home schooled kids in the US and UK.
I am saying--not implying--that she was making a comparison so invalid and odious as to make invalid any further agruement she or her supporters might put forth.
I don't think they were comparing homeschoolers to those other groups.
They were just comparing the people who are jerks to homeschoolers to the people who were jerks to those other groups.
Unfunny insults just aren't nice, no matter why you're making them (race, education, physical appearance, whatever).
Whether intentional or not, the ad is crap.
@razumikhin: @David: ...
Everytime you joke about a minority...
I think you rather proved David's point perfectly, in spite of your intentions. The fact that a minority of people are home schooled does NOT entitle you to claim yourselves as "A Minority" like people of color, the vertically challenged, the differently-abled, etc. In the minority, yes, but not a minority group. In what way are the home schooled people disenfranchised? Coz some blogger made a joke about you on the internet? Please.
And those who are state side home schooled and p/o'd at Cosmos, please note that he is from the UK, so the American public school system is totally irrelevant to his comment...or anything else - I will grant you that.
Adrian Malloch said...
OK, back to the Photoshop... The reflection should show the two deadbeats on the park-bench.
I take great offence at your implication that anyone who sits on a park bench is a deadbeat. I often enjoy sitting on park benches and am utterly insulted by your comment.
LOL. The comments on this post are brilliant!
this is the best joke in ages! the graphist sure has an odd sense of humour..maybe the company didnt pay him, and this is his way of getting back at them! hee hee...
donner_froh -
Hey now. "Idiot" and "pathetic"? That's not very nice.
I never insinuated any one of those labels had anything in common other than being a group. Don't read into the comment what's not there.
He never would have printed any of those other substitutions. You seem to recognize how unfunny that would be. Never once did I liken being a Canadian or being home-schooled to being persecuted in the Holocaust or herded in slavery. If I had substituted French, Catholics, Republicans, jocks, ballroom dancers, public-schooled kids or people who wear glasses - the point remains.
Or is it only okay to insult groups as long as they haven't suffered cruelty of historic proportions?
Please don't put words in my mouth. It's wrong to mistreat people. Can't we agree on that?
I simply believe a little tolerance would go a long way.
"I was homeschooled from the very beginning, and I have a very competitive edge in photoshop and in graphics design for advertising. I've started an advertising company and am now the lead graphics desinger for a magazine. I've been in the company of many other graphics design experts who have also been homeschooled."
so... you're the ones responsible for all those terrible PSDs!
What the heck does homeschooling have to do with that PsD? I was homeschooled and I would do the same to my future kids in a minute. That comment was totally unwarranted, a negative for PsD.
Also, "I don't know much about US homeschooling but if it's the last resort from using the public system then it doesn't say much for America's investment in schools."
And what exactly is the fundamental difference? Learning at home, I have the time and opportunity to learn and investigate anything I want, instead of wasting time moving from classroom to classroom and listening to lectures all day; it's the same textbooks, that is honestly the only difference. If I wanted to take part in sports or band, then I could take part in sports or band. Additionally, with the internet, I was able to learn more in a couple days than I would have been able to learn in years of assembly-line public schooling. And I *enjoyed* learning, something which so few kids can say. It paid off in craploads of returns for me.
Plus, I was never socially shielded. And most homeschoolers in America also are not.
In that part of Europe from where i come from homeschooling is so rare that only retarded kids have it. And i'm serious about it. So, this joke just doesn't work international.
And btw, most of the concentration camps were bulit in my neighbourhood and for me, comparing Jewish to homeschooled is way too far. It shouldn't be even used in such a debate, imo.
Damn, they should have just put these two hommies on a bench in front of a store front window, so she could reflect in the window behind them.
Then all these homeschool crybabies who just can not seem understand the concept of a joke, any better then Sarah Palin can, could quietly fade back into the kitchen and living rooms of their respective schools.
Indeed, then we wouldn't have to hear from people like ZaphodQB who think the only opinion that matters is his/her/its own, and any anyone who thinks differently than he/she/it is a crybaby.
PS: your argument is called ad hominem. You might google it under the search term "logical Fallacy".
LOL
All my focus was on the model anyway...(even if the reflection is totally crap) Maybe they did it that way on purpose because you want to imagine her naked.
Thanks Ken but I don't need to look it up.
It is actually irrelevant since I am not "arguing the point", or trying to "defer the argument of the point".
(in fact their point is to lame in this light to justify with an argument)
I am simply pointing out that like Sarah, they have zero sense of humor and take a facetious joke to heart because it has somehow touched a raw nerve.
Take it to crybabies-anon.com
Don't sully the reputation of gays, blacks and Jews by making the connection between homeschooling and these fine minorities.
I was home schooled and my sister and I have been happily married for ten years!
"(in fact their point is to lame in this light to justify with an argument)"
...ummmm...that right there would be arguing the point and deferring it with an ad hominem. And yet you continue to argue the point afterward "I am simply pointing out...."
Your slippery I'll give you that, but declaring that you didn't loose a race because you were never in it doesn't go far when you are wearing a jersey and the registration number is marked in grease paint on your arm.
I was kinda surprised when I saw these comments. I was quite sure this blog was about photoshop disasters.. but it seems to be about homeschooling.
Quite funny to see how all those homeschooled people come in, feel bitten in the ass and think anyone cares if they post about what they think about it.
About the picture. If I were to be at that park, I would so put the bench parallel with the road. It so pisses off perfectionists like me to see stuff like that just put there at random angles.
"Quite funny to see how all those homeschooled people come in, feel bitten in the ass and think anyone cares if they post about what they think about it."
Obviously someone does, if you're replying, sir. :)
No crazed, just because someone comments or laughs, does not mean we care.
"...just because someone comments or laughs, does not mean we care."
A little bit it does...a little bit.
No I laugh a Paris Hilton all the time and I could not care less if she caught fire and melted her plastic ass all over the street.
Men who know logical fallacies by heart make me so hot.
-Barbie
I took 'homeschooling' to mean 'self-taught', not an attack on home schooling.
Either home schooling is widely practised in America or it's an interesting reflection on the demographic who read this blog. Here in the UK I've only ever met one person who was home schooled and she grew up in Shetland so it was pretty reasonable that should have happened.
Up yours. I was home schooled and am getting a degree in Graphics. The guy next to me (the public school educated kid) did worse. His were pixelized graphics.
What does THIS have to do with home schooling?
Wow, that is... interesting.
I don't appreciate the jab at home schoolers, though >.<
Wow, it looks like most of the homeschooled readers of this blog are de-lurking to state their opinions. Add me to the list: I was homeschooled from 4th grade on, and I loved it. I got a good education and I was well socialized. That socialization taught me how to shrug and roll my eyes when somebody made a stupid joke at my expense.
Was the joke pointless and unfunny? In my opinion, yes. But guys, seriously, lighten up. Someone unintelligent enough to believe that all homeschoolers are drooling and ignorant is not going to be convinced otherwise by 500 posts from homeschoolers explaining that they are "the smartest, most socially apt people EVER!"
I was homeschooled all the way through till college, I am not a genius by any means... I'm sure that my post will be full of grammar errors and typos. I have a comparable education level to a public school student. I am how ever an artist... and am getting several thousand dollars in scholarships through my BA Private Art School because my grades are high. I am also an Animator, a great sense of humor is almost required (Not officially mind you). As a person who was homeschooled, has a great sense of humor, and an artist... I have to say the homeschool joke is not in good humor. While we have not been put into holocaust camps nor been enslaved in my area's case we were persecuted, the public systems would not allow us to join school teams or other social activities that we were legally supposed to be offered and I remember times that my mother lived in fear of having her children taken away illegally just because we were homeschooling.
I do make homeschool jokes... like when my public education friends are complaining about a teacher from the past and how terrible or what ever insult they come up with I reply with... "Yeah... my teachers did that too... I hated them." There are good homeschool jokes and bad ones... this one is just insulting.
And also not to jump on the original post's comment... just trying to help out my fellow homeschoolers ^_~
Dude, I'm homeschooled and I think the stereotypes against us are hilarious.
So I thought the post was hilarious!
Dude, I'm homeschooled and I think the stereotypes against us are hilarious.
So I thought the post was hilarious!
OMG!!! the Home-school comment had nothing to do with being home-schooled or going to public school, it had to do with being a SELF-TAUGHT person on using photoshop could have a professional job.
And yes the reflection is bad but did anyone notice that the girl is missing her ass.
"I am also an Animator, a great sense of humor is almost required (Not officially mind you). As a person who was homeschooled, has a great sense of humor, and an artist... I have to say the homeschool joke is not in good humor. "
Heh. Do you realise that everytime you say that it makes what was a fairly tame jibe far more funny?
This isn't discrimination, it is a harmless tease. I think the words "taking yourself too seriously" springs to mind.
Why not just make a joke about state-schooling back? Being able to laugh, at both others and yourself, is a healthy thing.
Or maybe they didn't teach you that at home? (heh)
Noneya said...
I like how the business guy looks disturbed, and the old man looks shocked and terrified.
this has me giggling hysterically. that's exactly how they look.
bah, where did ken go?
Jules, I see what you are saying, but you gotta agree there's just something innately human about wanting to voice your opinion, especially when you feel something has been falsely presented.
Heck, even you felt the need to say you loved being homeschooled.
Logically I can see that it makes no difference whether I voice my good experience with homeschooling or not. Anybody who thinks that homeschooled people are retards is not going to be convinced by my claims to the contrary.
Logically, can you see that it /also/ makes no difference whether you tell the homeschooled people that voicing their homeschooling experiences makes no difference and that they should lighten up?
And yet, you were motivated to share your knowledge. I for one think this is a great thing. Debating is awesome, and it's entirely possible to have a light debate: not hating one another or being deathly serious.
This blog generally has some funny material, but the homeschool jab was in poor taste.
very deep, that man's reflection is awesome! it defies all physics
ZaphodQB,
Of course it touched a raw nerve. That's because, for the most part, every time a parent talks to someone about home schooling, they find they have to DEFEND the fact they are home schooling to people who think it always means a sub-standard education. It's a pervasive stereotype - not helped by the fact that whenever there is a bad domestic situation that makes the evening news, and the children are homeschooled, the media goes out of its way to mention that fact and reinforces the concept that home schooling solely has its roots in conservative religion.
A blog on Photoshop used babdly is not a place I expect to have to go through that conversation all over again.
YES IT IS A CRIME - THE GIRL'S COVERED SHOW COVERED WITH LINGERIES....THOUGH INTERESTING THAN NEWS AND SNACKS ....
The add is for a lingerie brand... the ad is spot on for it what was advertising. There is no photoshop disaster here...
Do correct me if I am wrong..
WTF I was home schooled and am working towards my degree in Graphic Design. I would like to know how this picture relates to home schooling in any way, shape, or form, because I do not see it.
Here is proof that Homeschooling works:
http://www.homeschoolacademy.com/famoushomeschoolers.htm
Please keep your misinformed opinions to yourself in the future, thank you.
I agree with the person who said just stick to insulting those bad at photoshop. I'm homeschooled, and I love using photoshop.
First of all, I love the name Cosmo and if I ever have a son, I'll be tempted to name him Cosmo, but if I had a son I'd have to homeschool him...
Back to the awful photo...yes the reflection is vile, but what stood out to me is that the woman isn't wearing any underwear...you should be able to see some purple pants the way the coat is gaping over her backside...but there isn't any...so that reflection...that's not her...end of story!
The point of this ad is that you can see the reflection. La Senza sells bras and panties, the point of the ad is that it is a shame to cover up such great underclothes not that its a shame that she has to cover up her body with clothes.
1. Shut the f$%@ up about the homeschooling thing, seriously. It's a joke. It's actually a running joke on this particular site.
I went to private school my whole life, I've experienced some very serious discrimination due to the boarding school=reform school stereotype, and I still find cracks about private schools hilarious.
2. It's really sad that it took that far down the list of comments for someone to point out the worst part of this disaster- what is with her butt?! There's nothing there but skin colored blur. Either they think her butt is waaay up high, or forgot her panties...
WV: Satine... like what SHOULD be on her butt under that trench coat...
Lol, you guys are funny. Next time, check your pictures first before you start commenting or posting them here.
It's La Senza, they sell lingerie, bra and panties. It's obvious that they intended the reflection in the advertisement to be like that.
Hmm, in the park it's spring, in the puddle it's autumn. Oooo-wee-ooo.
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